Episode 167
Pay by Bank Is Coming for Cash, Not Cards, with Johannes Kolbeinsson
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Why account-to-account payments keep missing the mark: #
The pitch for account-to-account payments has been the same for years: cut out the card networks, cut the fees, move money directly between banks. Johannes Kolbeinsson, Co-Founder and CEO at Paystrax, has spent over 20 years as a card acquirer and sees a simpler explanation for why it hasn’t happened. A card payment takes one step. An account-to-account payment takes three to six. Until that gap closes, he doesn’t see it competing, no matter how much Visa and Mastercard invest in making their own account-to-account products smoother.
What acquiring data actually shows about A2A demand: #
Dumitru Condrea pushes back, pointing to Visa and Mastercard’s own investment in account-to-account infrastructure in markets like the UK as a signal of real momentum. Johannes counters with what he sees directly: when Paystrax offers merchants the option to add account-to-account rails, about 90% decline and stick with card processing.
Friendly fraud is a bigger problem than the industry admits: #
Johannes shares research Paystrax commissioned in the UK, surveying a thousand cardholders. It found people under 30 treating chargeback fraud, disputing transactions for products they did receive, as something close to a game. He argues card schemes have responded by making it too easy to accuse a merchant of fraud without any burden of proof, which is now pushing transaction volume toward account-to-account rails, where that kind of dispute isn’t possible.
A parallel banking system is forming around stablecoins: #
Paystrax just launched USDC stablecoin settlement across 17 jurisdictions. Johannes separates the hype from what he’s actually seeing: point-of-sale stablecoin payments are still three to five years out, but peer-to-peer and cross-border stablecoin transfers are already moving fast, fast enough that he describes it as a new banking system forming alongside the traditional one.
Why listen: #
This conversation cuts through two of fintech’s most repeated claims, that account-to-account payments are inevitable and that card networks are under threat, with a card acquirer’s actual transaction data and 20-plus years of watching payment cycles repeat. For anyone building in payments, compliance, or fraud prevention, it’s a grounded read on where real volume is moving and why.
Guest Appearing in this Episode
Johannes Kolbeinsson is Co-Founder and CEO at Paystrax, a card acquirer processing primarily Visa and Mastercard transactions across six offices in Europe. He founded his earlier company, Afterpay, in 2002 and has over 20 years of experience in payments and acquiring. Paystrax recently acquired Nochex to expand its UK footprint and launched USDC stablecoin settlement across 17 jurisdictions.
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